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Njaiguni Blaze · Jul 23, 2007, 02:40 AM // 02:40

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

Not entirely. WoW has many instances. The outside world is persistent but that's it.

True

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

Again flawed. If you want to be competitive in pvp you MUST buy every chapter and future chapters

After you buy the product, the game is free. There is no monthly price, that is what I meant.

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

Half way true. GW rewards memorization and build making abilities not per say skill based.

GW's PvP involves a lot of thinking, strategies, tactics, methods and decisions to be made. PvE a bit less, but high-end areas also has this.

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

Completely false. WoW has way more updates than GW does. WoW players cry just as much for/against nerfs. Just go to the warlock forum. WoW's pvp is completely different than GW though with the new arena style pvp its getting closer.

I haven't done much PvP in WoW, cus I love GW's PvP too much. Bout the updates, I think Anet does a heck lotta more for it's money.

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

There is a lot of grind in GW. If I had to start from scratch to unlock all my skills, mods, and everything else I've aquired I'd never return to GW.

Yes there is grind in GW, but you only have to grind if you choose to do so. To be part of the game, there is no neccesary grinding involved. Not in PvE and certainly not in PvP (if you don't count in the witty, snobby ranked ppl).

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

This is why you are really qualified to compare the two? You obviously have little WoW experience by you own admission. Btw the game doesn't really start until after lvl 20. Everything up to then is more like a tutorial.

I didn't say I was, these are just my personal opinions on the two, some are facts. Everyone should just think of the games what they want, and play whichever they want.

Edit: another difference which is important to me too: GW's graphics are su-weet!

Voltar · Jul 23, 2007, 02:54 AM // 02:54

yeah, i've played both. wow is bigger with more to do. the problem with wow is that stats are gear-based and blizzard keeps shifting the cap on gear. that means you put a lot of effort into grinding rep or something and then blizzard adds an expansion that has green lvl 60 quest rewards that nail your epics.

f blizzard

Omega X · Jul 23, 2007, 05:05 AM // 05:05

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

If they read his post and read the article, its pretty clear he is being sarcastic. But I think a few just wanted to bash him. So yeah, its not the OP(Zinger) or the internet fault if they didn't catch on. GG player base.

Some of GW's player base is just as oblivious. GG player base is right.

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Wait 8 million? The Escapist actually wrote an article on about WoW population number. Maybe you should go read that.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/

LifeInfusion posted the same thing 25 minutes before you did. Maybe you should have read that.

@LifeInfusion:

That wasn't really the essence of the comment that I made. The claim was that it would be hard to find people to play with, which is false.

Not to mention, that if we were to count the "3 million worldwide" for Guild Wars, it would be easily divided up similar.

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Even still, what about the servers that have a low population? Oh wait, if someone wants to go to another server, they have to start another character again! But I can't believe people have to level 3 characters on 3 different servers just to play with someone else? My god, WoW isn't very group friendly at all. Just shows how Blizzard wants people to consistently grind the level over and over again.

Most people pick the server that they want to play on before hand. Most of these people either meet people on their server or made sure that they picked a sever with their friends were on. Otherwise, people normally pick a server with medium load to guarantee that someone is in fact playing on that server. This has been done for a long time with other MMOs as well so its pretty traditional.

If that wasn't enough, they have free* and paid character transfers. (* Usually free when a server is being decommissioned or divided from player overload.) And as for level grind, there are numerous tutorials on how to grind to the max level in a week.

This is a whole lot of noise for nothing.

scare83 · Jul 23, 2007, 07:54 AM // 07:54

We can apply that PvP>PvE . Because PvP is more tactical than PvE.

If we always play PvE,it will bore.

In GW's PvP armor and level isn't important but In Wow they are important.

And have wow's skill quality as much as gw's skill quality? I think,no!

Gaidax · Jul 23, 2007, 08:21 AM // 08:21

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Originally Posted by Muspellsheimr

http://www.southparkzone.com/episode-vid-1008.htm

World of Warcraft = OWNED

Bean... It is an honor to have an episode of South Park/Simpsons devoted to the real world person/corporation/title... It's like the world recognition award.

It's like some poster said - Anet would die to get "owned" that way!

DreamRunner · Jul 23, 2007, 11:01 AM // 11:01

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Originally Posted by Omega X

Some of GW's player base is just as oblivious. GG player base is right.

LifeInfusion posted the same thing 25 minutes before you did. Maybe you should have read that.

@LifeInfusion:

That wasn't really the essence of the comment that I made. The claim was that it would be hard to find people to play with, which is false.

Not to mention, that if we were to count the "3 million worldwide" for Guild Wars, it would be easily divided up similar.

Most people pick the server that they want to play on before hand. Most of these people either meet people on their server or made sure that they picked a sever with their friends were on. Otherwise, people normally pick a server with medium load to guarantee that someone is in fact playing on that server. This has been done for a long time with other MMOs as well so its pretty traditional.

If that wasn't enough, they have free* and paid character transfers. (* Usually free when a server is being decommissioned or divided from player overload.) And as for level grind, there are numerous tutorials on how to grind to the max level in a week.

This is a whole lot of noise for nothing.

I didn't say that the GW play base was any better. Don't know why you are directing it towards GW player base?

But I actually did read it before and I did re-read it. Which proves my point futher.

Just because something is traditional, doesn't mean its an "a-ok" thing. The purpose of my example was that I meet someone NEW, and would like to play TOGETHER. But WoW doesn't even come close to that, in fact blizzard limit your options.

So, pretty much those free transfers is that I need to wait until the server is to crap to play on, and go to another server which isn't my choosing. Or, I need to level again, in which I need to spend MORE time to do so. The more I see WoW, the more I see its just grind grind grind. And forcing their player base to do so.

Tijger · Jul 23, 2007, 11:22 AM // 11:22

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

In an attempt to outplay the OP's game, I've decided to reciprocate and post the same thread on the official World of Warcraft forums to see the response. It's quite different than this thread, at the least...

Yeah, the only argument the WoW players seem to have is "More people pay to play WoW so it must be better then GW"

Since when is numbers sold equal to quality or better?

As for the argument which one is 'better', well, thats always subjective, I've tried WoW and didnt like it but a friend of mine has the reverse opinion, to each his own I say.

scare83 · Jul 23, 2007, 02:04 PM // 14:04

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Originally Posted by Tijger

Yeah, the only argument the WoW players seem to have is "More people pay to play WoW so it must be better then GW"

Since when is numbers sold equal to quality or better?

As for the argument which one is 'better', well, thats always subjective, I've tried WoW and didnt like it but a friend of mine has the reverse opinion, to each his own I say.

You're right.

And i want to add something. My three friends plays WoW because some game magazines exaggerate WoW.

Mr. Monk · Jul 23, 2007, 04:20 PM // 16:20

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PvE: Not repetitive and the quest system isn't just about killing. The cut scenes are nice and the game's graphics are beautiful.

Uhh, sorry, but are we playing the same game? (Though I admit not every quest is just about killing)

Omega X · Jul 23, 2007, 06:32 PM // 18:32

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

I didn't say that the GW play base was any better. Don't know why you are directing it towards GW player base?

I did it for the same reason that you directed your comment at the WoW player base.

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But I actually did read it before and I did re-read it. Which proves my point futher.

Contradiction? It proves that you didn't read before posting. Parroting a message already posted like you didn't know that it was there.

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Just because something is traditional, doesn't mean its an "a-ok" thing. The purpose of my example was that I meet someone NEW, and would like to play TOGETHER. But WoW doesn't even come close to that, in fact blizzard limit your options.

What I meant about traditional, means that everyone who has already known about MMOs know exactly what it does. With the way WoW's servers are laid out, you are more likely to meet more people on your character's server than out in the public. If it was a big deal, then WoW wouldn't be as big as it is now.

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So, pretty much those free transfers is that I need to wait until the server is to crap to play on, and go to another server which isn't my choosing. Or, I need to level again, in which I need to spend MORE time to do so. The more I see WoW, the more I see its just grind grind grind. And forcing their player base to do so.

The more you see WoW, the more you whine, whine, whine. Not that many people move their characters around or have the need to move their characters unless they wanted to start fresh on a new server. Not to mention that you willfully SKIPPED the fact that you can pay a small fee to transfer already established characters to any server.

People's choices are their own. I am not saying that WoW is perfect, and neither is GW. They both have pros and cons. But stop making mountains out of ant mounds. None of the things you complain about are that serious. Maybe it is to you, but more objective people disagree.

I'm done with this. I'll be back when the song stops skipping.

Gaidax · Jul 23, 2007, 08:33 PM // 20:33

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Originally Posted by Tijger

Yeah, the only argument the WoW players seem to have is "More people pay to play WoW so it must be better then GW"

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Pleeease...

The only arguement the WoW players have ia a complete bias with which this "match-up" is filled to the tops! And damn it's true.

And the most funny/rediculous point of this "match-up" is the final scoring based on what 9 random net posters said about the games here? It's what? 9 people of 10 million players of WoW+GW? Now that's something you can base things on.

In the end that match-up is an epic "phail", it should never be used seriously in any WoW vs GW discussions, which are pointless anyway.

Just look at what the 2 voters which gave 0 mark for WoW said -

"Too expensive. The level cap is level 60 only? Many of my friends have played this and got dissapointed. You character looks the same as everyone else and it's so easy to level that the challenge is just gone. If I had a choice between GW or WoW, I would choose GW."

Kay, so GW level cap is 20 only. And it is RIDICULOUSLY easy to level in GW. Many friends remark is nothing solid - I can say the same straight out of my ass about GW. The only true thing is about looks - GW has much more options there, but it comes at expense of mirror identical armor properties, which is a bad thing by itself. More expensive is the only valid point here, but the game has much more non-PvP content as well... So should GW get -5 mark here then?

or maybe this:

"Costs so much. The game itself is so expensive, but the monthly fee is just outrageous! It might be good, but it is not worth it. If you play this game for 1 year, you could probably buy 6 new games."

Let's exaggerate about the monthly fee more - it's rather standart for one. "It might be good, but it is not worth is" can be translated into - "It is good, but I am too cheap to pay for fun experience". And the "If you play this game for 1 year, you could probably buy 6 new games." is a self defeating arguement, because the 6 single player games that you would buy would not really yield you 1 year of game play in total.

It's just a friggin comedy club, seriously...

assassin_of_ni · Jul 23, 2007, 11:17 PM // 23:17

just for the sake of prying into the thread i suppose ill point out a few un-mentioned pro's and con's

GW: while beautifully drawn out and gorgeous settings and graphics.....why the hell do we need exceptional graphics in an MMO? it was said to me by an old friend who is now a game programmer that the day gaming becomes graphic based for its quality is the day martha stewart takes over the gaming industry. ok so no one ever said it to me but it makes sense. with the awesome graphics comes high amounts of detail that must be processed every time you enter or exit an area and thus creates extraordinary amounts of lag.

WoW: while cartoony at nature isnt exactly the pique of gaming graphics (especially with the next gen graphics shpeel all over ps3 and xbox 360) it offers a lot less detail to be loaded at any given time...usually when i enter an instance in GW i may take a minute give or take depeing on my ISP and how many people are online etc etc....whereas WoW when i load into an instance i have literally 2 second wait time...almost any time in the day.

to put it bluntly final fantasy 7 was still an awesome game despite its hardcore failing graphics.

GW:has no pay to play....a positive no matter which way you look at it with the exception (and ive seen a few people sue this arguement before) that by taking away pay to play your letting in a broader community of people....namely those who just like to log online every day...look at themselves in a webcam and say....so how am i gonna piss someone off today. on top of kids and just other generally rude people who would rather not pay 15 bucks a month to start fights. im not stating this as a fact in any way just an observation amongst myself and several alli members and guildies. on top of which, lack of pay to play also means a-net has very limited funds in comparison to blizzard to use for employment of people to do general maintainence and in-game help on a very regular basis.

WoW: indeed has pay to play anyone who has every heard about the game knows that since theyre constantly bashing blizzard because of it, but when you look in the broad veiw of things....15 bucks a month is really chump change to majority of people. if your paying god knows how many hundreds of dollars for your computer...another 20-40 dollars maybe more for your ISP...unknown amounts of money on the electric bill, and essentially lost job opportunities or otherwise opportunities to make money......15 dollars is next to nothing. and since wow has this income of 15 dollars per month from ghastly amounts of people they have enough money for weekly maintainence...upkeep on 100+ servers, hiring in-game GM's to help people with tech issues or if their account was hacked or if they ran into a bug in the game and cant get out of it (recalls the moonglade incedent). 24 hours a day service and the most wait-time you may have ever is about an hour unless a huge bug hits all at once and everyone swarms them at the same time (which pretty much never happens) so call me crazy but i believe the 15 dollars goes to pretty good use.

PvP in general is a pretty obvious choice since GW PvP is much much more fast-paced than general WoW PvP and that is why i still have my GW account. but in terms of skill WoW really does win on that since GW you go to the build wiki that was made since guild wiki deleted their build section, copy a template code and spam (uber monk lfg) pretty simple...in terms of WoW you have your entire skillbar to choose from which some people this is lame...when in fact your still just as limited in terms of sticking to your role in your group. it may get tempting every now and then for a priest to cast banish or something to finish off a kiting mage but YOU MUST RESIST! otherwise your gonna drain your mana on useless crap and completely screw your team.

as it has been stated....GW is for the casual player which is true to the extent it can be taken...you can play a couple hours a week and still have decent standing and ability to participate in the general activities of the community....but it does somewhat depend on how you spend your time. constant farming and faction grinding and title grinding makes GW no less of a grind than WoW. WoW is based on grinding a lot but at the end of which your able to wear whatever item your grinding for with pride over the fact that...its like a title. high-warlord or warmarshal or whatever it is in WoW is like r15 uberness and most people never wanna duel you...ever....but that pvp title system is (or rather was before they stopped making it possible to earn a title) very interactive in the sense that you get your honorable kills which boost your ranking....but if you decide to ransack a town and someone in your party gets a dishonorable kill...you can be set back anywhere from 1-3 weeks.

lastly the south park episode pretty much immortalized WoW as a top of the MMO market at the current date because....your not big till south park makes fun of you....and even more so the simpsons took a crack at it too. a-net wishes GW woulda been the one in those shoes.

as a side note....why doesnt anyone ever bash other mmo's like everquest 2 or vangaurd or final fantasy 11 and their monthly fee's? just out of curiosity. personally i think its because wow is just that damn easy to take a crack at.

Vermilion · Jul 24, 2007, 12:10 AM // 00:10

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Originally Posted by assassin_of_ni

(Regarding PvP) ..but in terms of skill WoW really does win

I loled.

But yeah, to each his/her own. Any poll or w.e doesn't really matter anyway.

Guardian of the Light · Jul 24, 2007, 01:31 AM // 01:31

Buster · Jul 24, 2007, 01:42 AM // 01:42

Both games are just complete opposites of one another. They shouldn't even be compared.

Miral · Jul 24, 2007, 01:47 AM // 01:47

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Originally Posted by assassin_of_ni

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as a side note....why doesnt anyone ever bash other mmo's like everquest 2 or vangaurd or final fantasy 11 and their monthly fee's? just out of curiosity. personally i think its because wow is just that damn easy to take a crack at.

well... eq2 has pretty much dropped off the radar, and vanguard is... well, a joke. only fun to bash things if there is someone to defend it i guess. FFXI actually has received its fair share of bashing though, although not as much since its japanese O.O

Arganius · Jul 24, 2007, 02:08 AM // 02:08

The fact that you try to compare the two is idiotic. Wow and Guildwars both have their ups and downs and what makes it a better game depends on the player.

WoW
Pro's

High level cap
LOTS of equipment so developing your character to its peaks will take a long time
MAJOR monthly (or was it bimonthly?) updates with raids, items and all sorts of things
Lots of players
Lots of servers\
You can see people outside of towns like most MMO's

Cons

Level is more important than skill
It can turn into a grind fast once you get to level 20
Hard to get into battleground (I assume its what Anet based AB off of)
No main quest (both a pro and con if you think about it)
No guild halls

Guild wars
Pros

Henchmen
Travel to towns instantly
Every area is a instance for your party
It takes skill in PVP, not good items
Cinimatic style mission
Lots of players
Guild support is unmatched
PVP is also unmatched
PvE isn't bad either
Lots of skills

Cons

Its all instances
Low level cap (which also can be viewed both ways)
Not a lot of equipment
Not alot of large updates
I've noticed a higher percentage of idiots in GW than in WoW
Lots of skills are cool but many seem like a duplicate of another

So it depends who you are. Alot of these cons can be pros for some people and alot of these pros can be cons for others. IMO they are both great games. I've played both. WoW costs monthly yes, but if they didn't have a fee they couldn't release these massive updates (The fee is a bit much. 5-10 bucks i could pay). In guildwars i wish i could do something else to improve my character after level 20. I don't need a high level cap but it would be nice to have some massive dungeons where i get some pretty epic stuff doing so, while in WoW i wish it wasn't a grind so much.

Stop arguing about whos toy is better.

DreamRunner · Jul 24, 2007, 02:56 AM // 02:56

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Originally Posted by Omega X

I did it for the same reason that you directed your comment at the WoW player base.

Contradiction? It proves that you didn't read before posting. Parroting a message already posted like you didn't know that it was there.

What I meant about traditional, means that everyone who has already known about MMOs know exactly what it does. With the way WoW's servers are laid out, you are more likely to meet more people on your character's server than out in the public. If it was a big deal, then WoW wouldn't be as big as it is now.

The more you see WoW, the more you whine, whine, whine. Not that many people move their characters around or have the need to move their characters unless they wanted to start fresh on a new server. Not to mention that you willfully SKIPPED the fact that you can pay a small fee to transfer already established characters to any server.

People's choices are their own. I am not saying that WoW is perfect, and neither is GW. They both have pros and cons. But stop making mountains out of ant mounds. None of the things you complain about are that serious. Maybe it is to you, but more objective people disagree.

I'm done with this. I'll be back when the song stops skipping.

Wow. Put more words in my mouth?

I don't know why you tried to direct it towards the GW player base, my criticism of the WoW player base was towards them not understanding sarcasm. Especially since it was a Zinger who was trying to defend WoW. And you tried to pull that towards the GW player base? Um... Ok, where?

Where is my contradiction? The message of Life infusion? You seem to make stupid claims about what I said, or is somehow related to me. The point was that you do NOT play with 8 million players, you only play with "In reality, only roughly 2.25 million players subscribe to WoW in North America" And that number is futher broken up in 100+ servers. Life Infusion, posted the same article that backup my point, and you seem say there is a contradiction?

Are you that dense, to not see my other point at all? Really. Because, my point has nothing to do with how many people you meet with in public at all! Here, let me re-say it for you. If I meet someone new, and we both discover that each of us play WoW. There is an extremely low chance, that we will be on the same server. And most of the time, we would not be able to play together.

Criticism is whining? Haha, whats wrong, cant take the heat? I skipped it, because its already obvious that you need to PAY to move your character. Pay, in which people in GW not only do have the freedom of having the meeting people from every corner of the globe, but do not have to pay a single cent after the game purchase. Love picking at my posts huh?

GW isn't perfect, omg a revelation! So, now the little whining as you say, is a small ant mold. But more objective people, you mean you? And just you? Because, its stupid how everyone boasts about WoW's popularity. And then, you get press release such as this But hey, since you are such an objective person, guess you got more important matters to deal with, than post in this thread. Although, It will be funny if you do post again, since you are done with it.

Bryant Again · Jul 24, 2007, 02:59 AM // 02:59

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

I didn't say WoW is bad, I'm just believe that no game is worth paying monthly, I'd rather spend that money on something more important.

I just realized how I wanted to comment on this.

People need to get out of the mindset that you're paying to play the game because it's so awesome. You've already bought the game. This is what you're paying for:

-Frequent updates that provide new content: Think a new Sorrow's Furnace-like update every month or two.
-Persistant servers
-Gamemasters, huge plus, in my opinion.
-And much more! (lol)

BarryBonez · Jul 24, 2007, 04:34 AM // 04:34

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

This thread really fails, Anyone who try to compare two rather different games should find something else do.

However, IMO even if WoW is considered "Better", the fact it has a monthly fee makes it not worth playing. CSS might be worth palying if it had a fee, but that's all, no other game with a fee is really worth it.

i would pay a fee for Barbie Dream Horse